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What's so bad about using tariff revenue to lower income/payroll taxes? Or the Child Tax Credit or whatever you prefer.

How is that so different then using sales taxes or a VAT to raise revenue?

Obviously, you'd want to set the tariffs at a level that tried to maximize revenue while minimizing disruption. My town has an 11% meals tax. That's not so different from a 10% tariff. There are restaurants open and I don't see a thriving tax free restaurant sector opening up just over the town limits.

I've heard all sorts of conflicting reasons to be against tariffs or to amplify their effect.

One is that America is so good at investment that dumb/incompetent foreigners buy our treasuries/mortgages because that's the best option available to them, and then we make a spread re-investing it because they are too dumb to invest in what we re-invest it in. So the trade deficit is free money. It seems odd why they would do this.

As far as lacking investment opportunities in their home countries, I can sort of see the argument that the EU/Japan might just be bad at investment relative to the USA. China is a bit harder to square, because they are 1.5B people with a 105 average IQ that should still be in their catch up growth phase. Can they really do no better than treasuries? They are commies and I have seen the videos of ghost cities, but it still seems off at a gut level to me.

I also have a hard time with the fact that it doesn't seem like the spending these treasuries facilitate seem all that productive.

Still, let's say this is true. Aren't tariffs the equivalent to charing a "rake" to foreigners who buy treasuries. Then the revenue from that rake is re-distributed to American citizens in whatever form you want. If I'm choosing how to redistribute the gains of globalization I would certainly prefer lower taxes on labor as opposed to cheap Temu crap I have to throw away immediately.

Or perhaps we could look at it another way. The primary problem that the countries we are running trade deficits with is that they aren't having enough children. China would not have a ghost city problem if they could just make more babies. If they want to outsource baby making to us they can pay the tariff, we can use it to fund CTC tax breaks, and and then those children can help with repaying Chinese treasuries. I wouldn't do that if I was them but I'll make the best of the situation.

I'm very skeptical of industrial policy and state directed investment. I'd prefer the government put the money in my pocket (or more accurately, stopped taking so much) and let me decide.

Finally, I've simultaneously heard that low end manufacturing is a tiny % of the value chain, and also that a tariff on a tiny % will crash the world economy. If the manufacturing cost of a $200 Nike is $5, aren't I just going to charge the consumer $205 or eat $5 of margin if I'm asked to pay a $5 tariff rather then just stop selling Nike's? If tariffs are too small to raise meaningful revenue, how can they be so large to cause a Great Depression 2.0? I can buy one argument or the other, but not both.

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Thank you.

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