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Nicholas Weininger's avatar

Your arguments rest on a very selective and thus misleading account of history, and it's worth enumerate some of the key things you leave out.

First of all, national identities are not actually organic, natural, or inevitable. In fact they are generally made up, typically by people who explicitly want to bind heterogeneous masses into cohesive nations and rationalize the oppression of those local residents who don't fit the national narrative. So empowering nationalism is not only illiberal, it is neither decentralist nor pluralist.

Second, you ignore the numerous historical examples of centralizing relatively-liberal authorities freeing people from forms of local tyranny that go well beyond just social shunning. The British abolition of suttee is a classic one here, but consider also the Austrians' freeing of Eastern European peasants from local feudal obligations as they expanded imperial domination-- Pieter Judson's history _The Habsburg Empire_ has a lot of good material on this, and on why Austrian liberals tended to be pro-imperial and anti-nationalist given their history.

Third, while you correctly identify what I would call the imperial character of the American liberal establishment's Quaker-Puritan secularized Protestantism, you ignore the central motivation for that, namely the centuries-long struggle against the extraordinarily illiberal and destructive Borderer-Cavalier coalition. JD Vance himself acknowledged this struggle -- he called it "Northern Yankees vs Southern Bourbons"-- and openly declared his preference for the evil Southern side. Read Albion’s Seed and you will see the essential accuracy of the famous Republican propaganda map from the 1880s: https://nightingaledvs.com/the-gilded-age-map-that-shines-a-light-on-americas-past-and-present/. The "pluralist" decision to accommodate rather than crushing Cavalier hegemony in the South and its diaspora after 1877 has proved to be a disaster for America ever since, and its continuing negative impact is demonstrated most recently by the blood libels against Haitian immigrants.

To be fair, far from all opposition to Quaker-Puritan ideological hegemony springs from Southern racism. Catholic post-liberalism does not, for example; but neither are the Deneen type post-liberals, as you imply, simply a persecuted religious minority pleading for tolerance. Their Church has eagerly and ruthlessly used state power to impose its doctrines on nonbelievers whenever it could-- Savita Halappanavar is only one of their latest victims-- and the post-liberals' writings make plain their desire to do the same. They should get greater tolerance anyway (the Little Sisters of the Poor shouldn't have to pay for employees' contraception and so on) but they are rank hypocrites for demanding it.

In sum, imperial rationalist liberalism is not imperial out of mere arrogance, but out of zealous determination to defeat a genuine, vast, and monstrous set of evils. It is fair to criticize how often its tactics in that struggle are counterproductive, or how often its zeal blinds it to its own institutions’ many flaws. But a “deflated” philosophy that seeks to cease the struggle, and tolerate the sworn enemies of toleration itself, is a suicide pact, and is no liberalism worthy of the name.

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Andy G's avatar

“Jordan Peterson’s attribution of woke politics to ‘Postmodern Marxist’ college professors is thus mistaken. Wokism is as American as apple-pie, reflecting a Protestant form of Christian Nationalism that's secular but no less sectarian.”

I find this piece fascinating and likely “directionally” correct (I put the word in quotes because I dislike the recent overuse of this word, but admittedly I likely hate it more because of its use by those on the left as rationale not to denounce the radical immorality on the far left because they feel it “directionally correct”).

But as much as I *love* your point that the SJW woke seeking to impose their views on society are simply Secular Sectarians, it’s at minimum an overstatement to claim that Peterson is mistaken with his claim.

The oppressor-oppressed zero-sum identity-based power game ideology at the core of wokeism does indeed come from the academic radicals Peterson cites, and is indeed fueled by, and gets its veneer of respectability from, universities indoctrinating this in the college-miseducated over the last decade.

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